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{January 5, 2006}   What does a nurse do in 2006?


In fact I’d go as far as to ask the following questions:

What is a nurse?
Are all nurses the same?
Are nurses turning into mini doctors?
Should nurses know their place?
Are nurses less intelligent than doctors?

These all arise for me from a discussion which has been happening today over at Dr Crippen’s Blog, please take a look to get acquainted with the facts, as I am not sure I can go into it all now.

One of the major problems with nursing in my opinion is that nurses really don’t know what they are meant to be any more. Now if a nurse doesn’t know what she (or he) is then heaven help the poor feeble minded doctor, not to mention the patient. When I trained as a nurse (and yes it was an apprentice style training) at a large London teaching hospital nurses pretty much learned how to care. We were there to assess the patient, but only in the context really of the care we would deliver, and to ensure there was nothing we needed to call the doctor to do for us. In those days we gave intravenous drugs, but did little else which could be thought of as the domain of medicine. We followed the consultant on his round (and it usually was a he, unlike today), made notes and carried out orders. We didn’t challenge what was said. If the doctor struggled to communicate adequately with the patient, we went back and quietly picked up the pieces. After all we couldn’t expect the doctor to be able to do that bit it wasn’t his job.

In the 1980’s something radical happened. Each nurse became responsible for their own actions, and even more radical, they were allowed, if they thought they had the correct knowledge and skill to do a lot more of the things previously done by a doctor. This led to nurses defibrillating patients, cannulating, giving more scary IV drugs, and even beginning to take on minor surgical procedures.

As time went by, nurses took on more and more of the work that had previously been a doctors. Not all nurses, and certainly not all nurses agreed with this. A lot of nurses see their place with the patient, administering care (whatever care is), and a lot of doctors feel that nurses are doing things that they have neither the knowledge base nor skill to do safely. Now someone has had the audacity to let nurses prescribe and for some this is definitely the thin end of the web. Now I have my own reservations about letting too many nurses, with too little real knowledge loose with a prescription pad and the BNF, but then I have seen some very dodgy medical prescribing so let’s not get carried away.

What we need in nursing is a proper career structure. Where you learn how to nurse before you move onto the extended roles, where you learn how to communicate before you medicate. I would like the nurses at each level to be educated appropriately for the job they are going to do and I would like to see them paid properly when they reach the higher levels of practice. In my own opinion I was a reasonably good District Nurse and a pretty good Specialist nurse once I had been prepared for the role. I wasn’t a doctor and didn’t need or seek to act like one. But what I wanted most was to feel I could give the best care to my patients. I wanted to be part of the specialist team (consultant, nurses, therapists) where we all had a part to play in the care of our patients and I wanted to make sure that the patient knew when he/she needed specialist care from us and when they needed their own GP.

The lack of structure, the lack of recognition for the work I did and unfortunately only too often the attitudes like the ones expressed over on Dr Crippen’s site got to me in the end and here I am.

Not sure I have answered my own questions, but no doubt this is a topic I will return to in due course.



I have a better relationship with my nurse practitioner than I do with any of my doctors.

I think this comes down to a few things. Seeing her at home, and not in a scary clinical surgery or hospital help alot. Maybe this is just an individual thing but her manner of treatment is more about cooperation instead of orders. Doctors tend to say x is good, thus you must have it, where as in my experience my nurse practitioner will take me through the pros and cons of things in an adult manner, but not force a particular way. That brings about mutual trust, which is very important.



I agree with turn the tables.. NPs tend to have better relationships with their patients. Thanks for stopping by my blog! I will try to stop by and do some more in depth reading..



Julie says:

Thanks both of you. That was exactly the type of specialist nurse I tried to be turn the tables and what is more, the consultant I worked with recognised that about my role.

Thanks for looking by NP saves lives, I also need to have a bit more of a look at your site.



Kim says:

I thought about you while I was reading Dr. Crippin, it’s hard to comment because our advanced practice nurses here seem to be accepted and to function in cooperation with a physician. I see one whenever given the choice.
I’m still a bit confused about the role of a nurse specialist in England.



Julie says:

Hi Kim,
I think that essentially that specialist nurses here do similar things and have the same kind of relationship with the doctors they work with. The problem seems to be in their relationship with other doctors and even in some circumstances nurses. I think what I was trying to begin to get over in this posting was that nurses have trouble knowing exactly who they are meant to be, and if they don’t know then how are doctors supposed to know.



[...] At the beginning of 2006 I wrote a post about what it means to be a nurse in the UK in 2006. Over the ensuing months there has been much discussion on both sides of the Atlantic about what nursing means, and about what patients should be able to expect from their health care providers. As role boundaries blur and nurses and other health care professionals take on tasks formally the domain of doctors sometimes we need to take a step back and ask what our patients really need from us and how we can make sure we are up to the job of providing that special something that makes us who we are. [...]



jaron says:

Im doing a project for one of my cousres and this kind of helped so i would like to say thank you



Julie says:

I’m really glad Jaron, good luck with the project.



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Makensie says:

hi my name is makensie and i was wondering how much does a nurse practitioner makes in the state IL because i am doing a research paper on what i want to be in the future, so if you would email me back that would be helpful.

Thanks a bunch
Makensie Henry



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sam says:

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danielle says:

they do a good job



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